Transfer News Transfer window 2020/21

Horse said:
Squad sizes and salary caps were brought in on the assumption the championship did the same. I believe leagues 1 and 2 jumped the gun as the smaller clubs wanted to level the playing field.
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The Championship knew that L1 and L2 would be stupid enough to rush into it without waiting for a cast iron guarantee that they would follow suit, and have never stopped crying tears of joy since. It was like telling someone to put their guns down and slide them across the floor because if they did so you will definitely do the same afterwards, and then simply laughing hysterically while emptying the clip into their torso. I’m still in utter disbelief that anyone was stupid enough to think it was a sensible idea.
 
greatunclekip said:
Ultimately, the answer to every question posed to Robbo is "Jamie Hanson".

Right back- yep
Centre Mid- yep
Centre back - abso bloody lutely
Winger - could absolutely do a job
Backup striker- hes got the right attributes but Derrick is looking magnificent.

Last two are exaggerations (almost) but it is pretty accurate.
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You are simultaneously absolutely right and totally wrong! I mean, yes, but let's hope we can get some guys in.
 
RyanioBirdio said:
The Championship knew that L1 and L2 would be stupid enough to rush into it without waiting for a cast iron guarantee that they would follow suit, and have never stopped crying tears of joy since. It was like telling someone to put their guns down and slide them across the floor because if they did so you will definitely do the same afterwards, and then simply laughing hysterically while emptying the clip into their torso. I’m still in utter disbelief that anyone was stupid enough to think it was a sensible idea.
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Very true. On the other side it should hike the prices of LG1 and LG2 players with the Championship having a smaller fishing ground.
 
Junior_1 said:
I see Robinson has mention on the mail today that he sees Jamie Hanson has back up CB after impressing in a training game...

Remind me, was that line on the list of robbo’s 7 transfer bingo game??!
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Yes, I think it was Berliner who had it spot on with the bingo. Give it a few more days before we hear “we’re very happy with what we’ve got: Jamie can cover all across the back four; Robbie has recently shown he can do a job on the wing, and of course we still have Del Boy to come into the squad again.” Surely, surely, we know what’s coming - we’ve heard it all before. I can see two incoming at most, and a list of excuses (refer here to the bingo) if they don’t.
 
Well we need three incoming to replace the losses (Cooper, Clare and Mousinho). Not actually bothering to have the full 22 senior players in a season where we are now going to be playing two games a week for the next three months would be stark staring barmy.
 
ZeroTheHero said:
Well we need three incoming to replace the losses (Cooper, Clare and Mousinho). Not actually bothering to have the full 22 senior players in a season where we are now going to be playing two games a week for the next three months would be stark staring barmy.
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Think DOY will be the Cooper replacement. Think we’ll end up with a centre back on a permanent and a young winger on loan. That’ll be it. KR needs to just learn to keep quite as he does make himself seem silly with some of these transfer window comments he makes.
 
pidge said:
Think DOY will be the Cooper replacement. Think we’ll end up with a centre back on a permanent and a young winger on loan. That’ll be it. KR needs to just learn to keep quite as he does make himself seem silly with some of these transfer window comments he makes.
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Indeed. What you describe would be fine
 
pidge said:
Think DOY will be the Cooper replacement. Think we’ll end up with a centre back on a permanent and a young winger on loan. That’ll be it. KR needs to just learn to keep quite as he does make himself seem silly with some of these transfer window comments he makes.
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This is his main fault and does make him look silly or the board are not doing anything this window, But NMW said last week if we identify a player, the problem is it looks like we have but none want to come here.
 
Shosho said:
Premiership will be unaffected (pretty much) as work permit are calculated on % of minutes played in top leagues. Ligue 2 and other leagues don't count towards this, and as such, will not be able to come to the England.

Players like Maupay, Kante, Mbeumo would all now fail to get enough points.

Leagues such as Holland/Belgium will qualify (top league) if a player has played 40% of the minutes. Realistically, there aren't too many players that move from the Eredivise to the Championship (Hamer to Coventry one of the rare recent examples). As such, teams will focus on League One and Two. Or, create club networks.

For example, the owners of Barnsley also own Oostende (Belgian Pro League), FC Thun (Swiss Challenge League) and Nancy (French Ligue 2)....as a result, you can move players from France/Switzerland to Belgium, get them the required minutes in a top league then bring them over to England.
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Very interesting, cheers.
 
Bornyellow said:
I know this is a subject for a different thread but surely L1 and L2 salary caps have to be reviewed given that the championship seem to be refusing any salary cap so far, simply leaves the lower leagues helpless should one of the larger teams come calling. And in all honesty it’s the championship teams spending in attempts to get into the PL that are putting themselves most at risk.

surely any cap has to be relative throughout the leagues or it becomes a bit of a joke.
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Yeah for fear of diluting the thread we might as well indulge ourselves as we have no transfers/rumours to talk of!

As @RyanioBirdio has said, League One/Two have been dumb in voting this through under the guise of protecting the pyramid and ensuring stability. The Championship proposal was for them to have a cap of 18million...League One 2.5m. This will obviously get rejected with the Championship citing "the gap to the Premiership is too big if we have the cap".

These's an interesting dynamic that's now coming up.

Take Atkinson for example. He is a 2023 contract so Ox are in a decent position (unless he starts to try and force a move) - if any club want him they will have to pay a considerable fee as there pool of supply has diminished.

If Atkinson is in his final year (like Branngan/Dickie before) I suspect we will be unable to extend their contracts if we can only move to x amount in wages...previously the Championship would have to double/triple wages to compete - now they could sign based on a few hundred quid.

Warne in the week was saying it was tough to get players out on loan as League One teams don't have the budget. But the Championship can't have it both ways...signing league One/Two talent then complaining when they can't loan them back out.

The Brexit/Wage cap/Squad Cap cliff edge has all come at once.

Have been banging on about it for a while but we do something pretty decent with our player trading - investing in this further is a no brainer. I'm fortunate to now see what other clubs have in this regard...there's a load of smart clubs in our league now that will all be shopping in U23s, Scotland, Ireland, Non-League along with us. How do we find an edge above them?

An additional, unmentioned aspect are players who now might find themselves without a club. There must be a host of late 20s that have failed to pick up a new contract. Not good enough for the Championship, but don't fit into any squad in League One/Two due to the cap.

The whole thing is entirely mad and makes and promotion from League One to the Championship near impossible...even without squad/wage limits the average salary is ~10mill with 14mill considered to be 'competitive'. Any clubs dropping from the Championship to League One will now have ~20mill player salary considered as the League One average until their contracts expire
 
Junior_1 said:
I see Robinson has mention on the mail today that he sees Jamie Hanson has back up CB after impressing in a training game...

Remind me, was that line on the list of robbo’s 7 transfer bingo game??!
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Jamie Hanson got signed by Derby as a left-winger (granted at U8s level).
He was a right-back/centre-back as he came through the youth levels at Derby, he has alluded to it a few times on iFollow interviews whilst he has been at the club.
It was only latterly that the midfield role became seen as his main position. A lot of his first team games for Derby were at full-back.

Not that it means he'll be solid cover in the defensive positions, just pointing out it's not just a desperation move.
 
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Does the FL really care about league one and two though? I reckon they would jettison us if they could just go with the championship “brand”, it’s probably more marketable on its own.

Can see your point though, how can league one be set a cap that is so far from the championship average? With them not having a cap that gap will only get bigger.
 
Shosho said:
Yeah for fear of diluting the thread we might as well indulge ourselves as we have no transfers/rumours to talk of!

As @RyanioBirdio has said, League One/Two have been dumb in voting this through under the guise of protecting the pyramid and ensuring stability. The Championship proposal was for them to have a cap of 18million...League One 2.5m. This will obviously get rejected with the Championship citing "the gap to the Premiership is too big if we have the cap".

These's an interesting dynamic that's now coming up.

Take Atkinson for example. He is a 2023 contract so Ox are in a decent position (unless he starts to try and force a move) - if any club want him they will have to pay a considerable fee as there pool of supply has diminished.

If Atkinson is in his final year (like Branngan/Dickie before) I suspect we will be unable to extend their contracts if we can only move to x amount in wages...previously the Championship would have to double/triple wages to compete - now they could sign based on a few hundred quid.

Warne in the week was saying it was tough to get players out on loan as League One teams don't have the budget. But the Championship can't have it both ways...signing league One/Two talent then complaining when they can't loan them back out.

The Brexit/Wage cap/Squad Cap cliff edge has all come at once.

Have been banging on about it for a while but we do something pretty decent with our player trading - investing in this further is a no brainer. I'm fortunate to now see what other clubs have in this regard...there's a load of smart clubs in our league now that will all be shopping in U23s, Scotland, Ireland, Non-League along with us. How do we find an edge above them?

An additional, unmentioned aspect are players who now might find themselves without a club. There must be a host of late 20s that have failed to pick up a new contract. Not good enough for the Championship, but don't fit into any squad in League One/Two due to the cap.

The whole thing is entirely mad and makes and promotion from League One to the Championship near impossible...even without squad/wage limits the average salary is ~10mill with 14mill considered to be 'competitive'. Any clubs dropping from the Championship to League One will now have ~20mill player salary considered as the League One average until their contracts expire
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I think it’s safe to say we haven’t heard the end of this. Would be interesting to hear KR view on this, he said before that he can see it being challenged legally.
 
Bornyellow said:
I think it’s safe to say we haven’t heard the end of this. Would be interesting to hear KR view on this, he said before that he can see it being challenged legally.
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I hope youre right @Bornyellow .... does anyone know who is taking questions on tomorrow evenings 5 min fans forum on Rad Ox?
 
Stuart Findlay?

From Sky Sports


KILLIE WILL STILL HAVE TRANSFER BUDGET

Kilmarnock owner Billy Bowie says the club will apply for a £1m loan from the Scottish government’s emergency sports fund to ensure the club survive this season. He says it’s due to the impact of the pandemic.

He also later added manager Alex Dyer will still have a budget to make signings during the January transfer window.

In a panel discussion of the Killie Trust, Bowie said: "We had a meeting last week and we have approved a sum to Alex for an additional player. Hopefully that will be enough to bring in the player we need."

It comes after Eamonn Brophy left the club to join to St Mirren and head of football operations James Fowler added: “That’s an additional fund on top of what had left the building. It’s not just like for like. There has been extra money made available from the board to find that striker we feel can add to the group.”

Fowler also discussed the future of Scotland international Stuart Findlay, admitting the defender could follow Brophy out of Rugby Park.

He said: “We sat down with Eamonn and his representatives over a year ago and made him a good offer. They indicated they were not in a rush to sign that. It was a very good offer and I get that Eamonn is a striker and might thing he will go onto bigger and better things but we have to look after the club.

“It’s the same with Stuart Findlay. He is somebody we would like to keep but he is at an age and stage he could potentially look to move down south. We can make offers like we have but that doesn’t mean they going to sign it. I get that we can then try move players on and sell them which potentially we might do in the future
 
CheltenhamYellow said:
Yes, I think it was Berliner who had it spot on with the bingo. Give it a few more days before we hear “we’re very happy with what we’ve got: Jamie can cover all across the back four; Robbie has recently shown he can do a job on the wing, and of course we still have Del Boy to come into the squad again.” Surely, surely, we know what’s coming - we’ve heard it all before. I can see two incoming at most, and a list of excuses (refer here to the bingo) if they don’t.
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I do like KR but he is like the salesman who at the start of every month tells his Sales Director that he's got some great leads and prospects only for none of them or just one of them to come off. He then repeats the mantra at the start of the next month (or in our world, transfer window) and the same non-delivery happens. You believe it on the first couple of occasions because you really want to and it's easy to get on a positive bus.

This time, my honest reaction was 'heard it all before and I'm expecting a last minute panic with minimal success' - looks like that will be bang on.
 
brassmonkey said:
Can league ones cap be changed with a vote? Or is it binding for a certain amount of years?
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Can be changed with a vote but getting 2/3s (I may have this number wrong) to change it is unlikely as I can't see Accrington/Rochdale/Northampton etc voting to open it up again.
 
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